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Cozwaz
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« on: September 02, 2009, 11:52:47 am » |
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Debate going on in our office today and I was just wondering what my fellow DDers thoughts are.
What circumstances would you sign off a letter as detailed below.
Name
for and on behalf of
Company
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rose.winter1980
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 01:31:17 pm » |
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I have seen that style - many moons ago in a very formal letters and contracts.
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Cathy S
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 01:47:02 pm » |
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My understanding too, is that it is used in documents which are contracts or agreements - where the agreement is between two organisations rather than two individuals. The individual signing it is not personally liable for the agreement s/he is simply an authorised signatory of the organisation.
Although I have seen it used inappropriately to replace pp on personal correspondence
Hope that makes sense in the context of your office debate
Cathy
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JessW
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2009, 01:13:35 pm » |
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I only ever us the old "for and on behalf of ..." when sending out emails on bosses' behalf, usually at the top of the message section. The signature then also says I am secretary to whoever wanted the email etc sent out.
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gee4
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2009, 11:26:00 am » |
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I use 'for and on behalf of' when sending an email or meeting request for someone else, and 'pp' when sending a letter when my boss or another individual is not around to sign it and has given me permission to sign it on their behalf.
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Atlanta Z3
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2009, 02:48:40 pm » |
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When signing anything for your company ALWAYS include your title. This will remove personal liability. As for signing on behalf of, I have never written those words. If I signed for a boss I put my initials after the signature and did not try to forge his signature, so it would be obvisous it wasn't his.
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rose.winter1980
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 01:38:17 pm » |
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Atlanta, I don't think anyone here mentioned "forging" a signature. Only a person without any scruples would ever do such a thing and I can't imagine any reason for doing so (except a criminal reason, that is).
I have electronic signatures available to me and also signatures in the form of stamps, both of which are a great help when I have to send out documents requiring signatures. Interestingly, I just filed a contract we have with a major supplier which has been signed with the words of "for and on behalf of".
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Cathy S
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 01:58:24 pm » |
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Hi Rose
That is interesting about the contract - since that is exactly my understanding of the use of that particular phrase - I was taught that it makes it clear that there is only corporate liability in the agreement and not personal liability.
Cathy
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Atlanta Z3
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 03:13:09 pm » |
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I wasn't implying anyone was trying to forge a signature. My comment was that I would not try to make my version of the on behalf of signature look anything like that person's, so it would be obvisous it was signed by another. I have worked with secretaries who did have signing priviliges for their bosses and would sign the boss's name in an imitation of the boss, without initials or reference that it was not an original.
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