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« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2009, 10:47:35 am »

In your opinion it does help to have knowledge of Marketing, Finance etc but a qualification in Finance does not mean you have supported a Finance function for x number of years which is what an employer is looking for at an interview.

And more importantly you cannot gain experience in all or any of these functions unless you have been employed to work in those sectors.

I can't say I have experience working in Finance when I haven't especially since I didn't train to work in that sector.
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« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2009, 11:02:22 am »

The point I'm clearly struggling to make is that office professionals need to be qualified and experienced in a wide-range of areas.

A very good point was made, in that more often than not, administrators are unqualified and inexperienced, and that undermines the professionalism of experienced and qualified office professionals like ourselves.

Experience alone will not be sufficient to make us stand out from the crowd of people vying for PA/Administrator roles that require specialist skills.

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« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2009, 11:20:20 am »

Experience can and does make a difference Matt.  Living and working in Northern Ireland AND in England proved that for me.

As I have mentioned somewhere before, Northern Ireland relies a lot more on qualifications, whereas the mainland will accept experience without the qualifications on paper.

I know I have been through it. Unless you plan to study until you are 90, you can only gain experience in a few subject areas, not a wide range as you say.

Through my experience all this subject knowledge still means you are not really qualified in any one field and a lot of employers find candidates hard to slot into the workplace when others are more specialised in their field.

Example - because of redundancy I have had to take work where I can, temp or perm and therefore I have worked in a lot of industry sectors.  When it comes to applying for jobs I seem to get questioned about the fact I have worked in all these industries yet not specialised in any of them - do you see what I mean?
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« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2009, 11:41:47 am »

I've always considered myself to be a qualified administrator and I've never had a problem finding work with the experience and qualifications that I have - and I'm always gaining new qualifications.

I disagree that you have to study until you're 90 to gain experience in a few subject areas.

Also, I didn't say experience doesn't make a difference.  I said it won't be sufficient on its own.

I see what you mean about not specialising.  Employers need to understand that being a PA is your industry and this is what you have specialised in.

Increasing the profile of office professionals is something that I feel very strongly about.  Especially when, as someone correctly said, far too many people 'fall' into office roles without experience or qualifications.

I would like to see a distinction between office workers, and office professionals.  It is frustrating when people have little or no regard for your role as a professional.  I've been referred to as 'just the receptionst' and 'dogsbody' many times, despite playing a key role in the organisation.

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« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2009, 11:46:07 am »

Myself also Matt.  One lecturer in a university referred to me one day as "just an office worker".  As you can imagine, I was totally insulted.  I felt like I had been born without a brain or something.

I too feel strongly about office professionals being recognised in the workplace.  We always seem to be the lesser mortals who don't do very much!
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« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2009, 02:36:03 pm »

Whilst appreciating that you will want to respond to the above posts, this is not the topic under discussion.  While I attempt to get this moved elsewhere to a more regularly visited forum, please post ONLY responses here to the topic title.

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« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2009, 01:01:41 am »

Hi Jackie

In my opinion, this does relate to the topic under discussion.  I do not feel that IQPS did enough to make a distinction between office workers and office professionals.  As far as I'm concerned, the image of IQPS was 'old school' and the institute did not effectively raise the profile of office professionals.

The IPA has become more inclusive and will attract aspiring office professionals - inexperienced and often unqualified members who can seek advice from professionals like gee4 and itsme_calista.

It is my belief that the IPA can, and will do more to benefit office professionals than the IQPS would have done if they had not been integrated into the CfA, and rebranded.

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« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2009, 10:24:11 am »

Sorry Jackie I have to agree with Matt.  

This discussion carried on from the topic you initially posted and it is relevant.
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« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2009, 11:45:40 am »

I had been a member of IQPS for almost 20 years before I lapsed my membership. I had joined after completing the Diploma for Personal Assistants in 1988.  When the changes were first mooted I thought it would be a good idea because the Institute was languishing in the doldrums but since then I have lapsed my membership because, like a number of other members, I didn't like the changes that have happened.  I resented the fact that the name was to be changed.  I felt that somehow it no longer had the Kudos it once had as the Institute of Qualified Private/Professional Secretaries.  Losing the "Qualified" also upset me as now it appears that anyone can join and not only those who had the qualifications to enable them to be a member.  Being a member of IQPS was once something to be proud of; the title stood for something more than just being a secretary.  Being able to add MIQPS to my name let other people know that I was a qualified 'tradesperson' and that I was proud of my craft.

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« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2009, 01:10:12 pm »

Hermes

Well put!  I hope you haven't just 'lapsed' your membership but have relayed your feelings to those at the new organisation.

I have been having a serious think about my own position and like you, am upset by the changes, don't like the new name upon which there was no consultation, and extremely upset at the fact that over five years experience now automatically entitles someone to apply to become a Fellow!  In no other organisation I have ever heard of is a Fellowship granted automatically - it's something that's earned, and the very fact that IQPS in its 50 year history only granted around 60 fellowships, underlines that fact.  I am proud to be a Fellow of IQPS;  I don't feel being a Fellow of IPA will have any meaning.  I know I am not alone in this view.  The most recent email from IPA proudly boasted that over 300 people have taken up the Fellowship membership category;  a fact which I am extremely sad to hear.

And when I do decide what I'm going to do, if it does come to resigning, I will be making my feelings loud and clear.

I do want to belong to a professional organisation for the field I work in, but not at the price that IQPS members have been asked to pay in the dumbing down of a proud organisation.  It would have been better, and I nearly voted for this option, to close down completely rather than see the route now being followed.  I'm not sure this is what members signed up for, but as I wasn't present at the AGM when Jenny Hewell spoke, I can't be 100% sure, but it's certainly not what CfA put forward in their papers.

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« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2009, 10:26:42 am »

Jackie,

No, I didn't let my feelings be known, I simply didn't renew my membership.  After reading your posts, perhaps I should have done but I had thought long and hard about it and came to a very difficult decision and once I had decided, I didn't want to dwell on it and I just let it drop.

Like you, I almost voted for closing down IQPS but felt that it would be better for IQPS to continue, albeit in another guise, rather than disappear altogether.  I'm sorry now I didn't because a once very proud organisation has been swallowed up by a far inferior (to my mind) organisation.

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« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2009, 11:00:44 am »

I do wish you would.  I think they are labouring under the misapprehension that what they have done is ok.

I am nearly ready to make my views known.

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« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2009, 05:46:45 pm »

Jackie

I think we are all aware of your views regarding this issue.

I'm not sure what you're waiting for with comments such as "I am nearly ready to make my views known".

If you haven't already contacted the IPA and expressed your feelings, I recommend you do this as soon as possible.  I would recommend this to anyone who feels strongly on this matter.

In the meantime, and hereafter, I recommend that you let this go - I think you have exhausted this topic.

This is a forum for professional discussion and your persistent misrepresentation of the IPA and CfA is bordering on childishness.

Please note - the views and opinions expressed in this post are mine, and not those of the IPA.

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« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2009, 02:18:29 pm »

NOTE TO ALL DD USERS:  I chose to post this as a public reply rather than reply to Matt in Private Message.

Matt

Might I remind you that although I am a DeskDemon moderator, my posting on this particular thread has been as a user of DD only, expressing a personal view.  Your comments about me are completely inappropriate.  If you have anything of a personal nature to say to me, please take it out of the forum or keep it to yourself.

I am not misrepresenting IPA nor CfA, simply stating opinions which are personal to me, and to which I am entitled (and which, may I add, are shared by many).  I have not made any libellous comments.  This country allows freedom of speech.

As this is the only other forum in which IQPS members can air their views, I opened this thread to allow them to do so.  As ever, there is always a silent group and this is a slightly more anonymised way of allowing people to express feelings which they may not wish to do so in other more direct means.

If anyone else wishes to comment, please feel free to do so.

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Edited by jackie on 16/03/09 06:08 PM.

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« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2009, 03:18:00 pm »

PUTTING ON MY MODERATOR HAT...

I am not directly involved in this subject nor am I aware enough of the history to have any personal feelings one way or the other.

HOWEVER, I am quite capable of recognizing the tone that is evolving in these postings and I will simply remind all involved that while discussion of the topic at hand is welcomed and encouraged (for as long as anyone wishes to discuss it), that discussion must be done in a civilized and professional manner.

There is no reason for anyone to resort to remarks of a personal nature against any individual.

Play nice please.

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